Is writing essays for someone else a sin?
I know the title of this question sounds perhaps irrelevant and absurd but let me explain my question as it concerns Halakhah and Torah laws.
My non-Jewish friend works as a freelance writer. Sometimes he gets orders to write academic essays. He can be 99% sure that those essays are later used by those who order them to submit them as their own academic assignments. This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens.
Accordingly, here are the questions which I hope you can answer from Torah's perspective:
Is my friend committing any sin?
Is my friend taking part in cheating if he is not 100% sure about what happens to the papers he writes?
His income depends on this, should he find another job?
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I know the title of this question sounds perhaps irrelevant and absurd but let me explain my question as it concerns Halakhah and Torah laws.
My non-Jewish friend works as a freelance writer. Sometimes he gets orders to write academic essays. He can be 99% sure that those essays are later used by those who order them to submit them as their own academic assignments. This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens.
Accordingly, here are the questions which I hope you can answer from Torah's perspective:
Is my friend committing any sin?
Is my friend taking part in cheating if he is not 100% sure about what happens to the papers he writes?
His income depends on this, should he find another job?
halacha noachide-laws sheker-false lifnei-iver
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Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
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I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
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B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40
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I know the title of this question sounds perhaps irrelevant and absurd but let me explain my question as it concerns Halakhah and Torah laws.
My non-Jewish friend works as a freelance writer. Sometimes he gets orders to write academic essays. He can be 99% sure that those essays are later used by those who order them to submit them as their own academic assignments. This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens.
Accordingly, here are the questions which I hope you can answer from Torah's perspective:
Is my friend committing any sin?
Is my friend taking part in cheating if he is not 100% sure about what happens to the papers he writes?
His income depends on this, should he find another job?
halacha noachide-laws sheker-false lifnei-iver
edited Nov 11 at 18:32
David Kenner
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asked Nov 11 at 12:51
Dan Weisberg
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I know the title of this question sounds perhaps irrelevant and absurd but let me explain my question as it concerns Halakhah and Torah laws.
My non-Jewish friend works as a freelance writer. Sometimes he gets orders to write academic essays. He can be 99% sure that those essays are later used by those who order them to submit them as their own academic assignments. This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens.
Accordingly, here are the questions which I hope you can answer from Torah's perspective:
Is my friend committing any sin?
Is my friend taking part in cheating if he is not 100% sure about what happens to the papers he writes?
His income depends on this, should he find another job?
halacha noachide-laws sheker-false lifnei-iver
halacha noachide-laws sheker-false lifnei-iver
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David Kenner
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Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
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I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
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B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40
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Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
1
I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
2
B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40
1
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Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
1
1
I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
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2
B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40
B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40
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Assuming we only talk about Jews (as relations with the Gentiles is a bit complicated):
Yes, it's called Deceit/misleading (גניבת דעת) - one cannot lead people to think that he possesses some qualities that he does not. (I can add some more collateral misconducts, like "ועשית הישר והטוב בעיני ה' ואדם", "לפני עוור..." ", "תמים תהיה עם ה"א" and more)
Yes, I couldn't think of a different use for his writings but using them under a different name.
I'd say it depends on how pious he tries to be. That's not like stealing or killing, you know, but still, it is not Kosher, even if we assume there are some leniences towards the Non-Jews. Also, he's not one to deceit, but he plays the main part. That's between him and his Creator.
There's a way to make it ethically legal: it is to ensure that the customer knows the content and can recite it. Just like doing the homework for your kids. That way there's no deceit and everything's Kosher. So he might offer his client to write the essay but to ensure the client can recite it as his own.
NB: I have a simple litmus test for this kind of questions:
ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you.
For example, a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests - would you consult him? Or a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college - would you vote for him?
If no, then your guts are telling the truth. If yes, that's not a Halachic problem for you.
answered Nov 11 at 13:49
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
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@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
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@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
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@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
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When I was in college I supported myself mostly by translating papers in French, Italian and English. I was occasionally in the position you describe and had to wrestle with the ethics involved. Say I'd get a paper in English to translate into French from another college student. Chances seemed high this was an assignment for a French course. What were my options? Say no and give the reason? Accusing people without proof can get you into trouble. Say no and say you are too busy? This doesn't fall into any category of lies allowed in Judaism. Say no and give no reason? Refusing to serve a customer can open you to all kinds of charges of discrimination.
I convinced myself I should do it and did it. I also badly needed the money, but that's not a valid reason. I believed, and still believe, my reasoning was correct. Let the customer deal with his own conscience.
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The main point of the OP under discussion would seem to be:
"This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote."
it seems to me IMHO, that there is no problem with your friend doing any of this. We should first look at this under the lens of common sense before assuming there is any "sin" or technical "Halachic" discussion.
IMHO, there is no reason to think anyone is sinning here; not even 50%. The OP's assumption that anyone is cheating a professor is simply mistaken.
Today's colleges are a vast mixture of institutions that are different from each other as far as ethics and "house rules" are concerned.
I have found, in my experience, that an essay assignment given by a professor to their students, which is supposed to be done on the private "homework time" of the students, to be handed in later, is usually not subject to the obligation of the students to have written it themselves.
This is especially true with the advent of "online" colleges, where sometimes, even so-called "tests" are given with absolutely no supervision to prevent "cheating".
I actually know students who have paid retired professors to sit with them and do their online college work for them together in front of the computer. AND yes, even take tests!
Why?? Because the college is not strict about this.
So let us break down the situation into the possibilities:
1) The student's class was told by the professor that the essay assignment must be their own work and they will be held accountable under the honor system, or face sanctions for cheating, if caught.
2) The student's class was given an essay assignment with nothing said about whose work it needs to be.
3) The student's class was given an essay assignment and the professor told them that they may seek help with the assignment from others.
4) The student's class is actually an online college without supervision.
5) The student's class has an essay which will be written under supervision as a test in a supervised classroom.
Now when your friend is approached by some student to pay him to write their essay, even if it is for a college assignment, we should ask which of the above 5 categories the assignment most likely fits into.
If it is #5, then we do not need to worry, since it is very unusual for a student to show up at a test site under supervision, and smuggle in an essay so he can transcribe from it. It makes no sense for your friend to need to avoid getting paid because he just might be helping such a risk taker. In any case, they will probably be caught, so no harm done. :)
If it is #4, then there is no problem at all. The online college assumes that you at least read the paper you are submitting since you might need to transcribe it to a special access portal online. What's the difference if you created the paper, or you understand the paper?? You have gone through a learning process of some sort, and your overall grade is made of many things; not just that essay.
Secondly, if the online professor is strict and demands it be your own work, then its like case #5 above, because the professor will know the student's level from their interaction online and general participation. If a student who fails a lot of their participation suddenly submits a professional essay... that professor is going to catch on easily. So again we need not assume the customer wants to submit your essay under such conditions of risk taking.
Thirdly, if the online professor never demanded your own work, then the college has set the bar low. It is not your affair if someone buys an essay from you to submit to a college that allows this, is it? No one sinned.
Maybe that's why some companies only hire people from Harvard and Yale as opposed to those who graduated from "BOZO TECH ONLINE" ? :)
If its #3, then there is obviously no problem at all! Yes this happens a lot!
If its #2, then there is no legal assumption or ethical or moral assumption that it must be your own work. So again, no problem.
If its #1, then that is the only case which would seem problematic. However, that is also not a problem.
The student is afraid to submit a purely professional paper that does not fit his own level of academics and personal writing style to a strict professor who knows this student's work. It would be taking too much risk.
Such a student who buys such a paper anyway, will likely read it and then try to write it again in mostly his own words using a lot of the paper as a structure.
That's OK.
So, I believe that anyone who claims this is a sin, has not thought about the practical situation. There really is no issue here for the one selling their work to others for college assignments.
Finally, while plagiarism is a crime, that is only when someone steals the work of another and calls it their own or does not give proper credit. However, in this case, the student bought the full rights to the author's work; so there is no stealing involved. Therefore, there is by definition no plagiarism!
Therefore, the entire premise of the OP's question: "This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens."
... is simply a mistaken premise to begin with.
Therefore, any question of Halachah is moot since the reality is much different than the question assumed based on the true facts on the ground.
The only concern is if a student approaches you and says: "Hey, I have an assignment due that the professor said must be my own work or else it is cheating! Can you write an essay for me? Here is some money and some samples of my own previous work so you can even copy my style as you tailor fit your fabricated essay just for me so I can fool my professor! Thanks Buddy!"
You can simply answer: NO.
OR You can say: look, I am not going to help you fool the professor, but I can give you an essay that is easy to understand and very professionally written so you can adapt it to your own style and use it as a base for your own essay? How about that?
If they agree, take the money! :)
A person's hard work and income is a very holy thing. We should never knee-jerk assume that some form of income is "sinful" just because it seems problematic on the surface. We must deeply examine the true circumstances, before declaring a person must quit their living.
That's my humble opinion, based on my Torah knowledge and training.
answered Nov 11 at 18:10
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I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
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I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
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Assuming we only talk about Jews (as relations with the Gentiles is a bit complicated):
Yes, it's called Deceit/misleading (גניבת דעת) - one cannot lead people to think that he possesses some qualities that he does not. (I can add some more collateral misconducts, like "ועשית הישר והטוב בעיני ה' ואדם", "לפני עוור..." ", "תמים תהיה עם ה"א" and more)
Yes, I couldn't think of a different use for his writings but using them under a different name.
I'd say it depends on how pious he tries to be. That's not like stealing or killing, you know, but still, it is not Kosher, even if we assume there are some leniences towards the Non-Jews. Also, he's not one to deceit, but he plays the main part. That's between him and his Creator.
There's a way to make it ethically legal: it is to ensure that the customer knows the content and can recite it. Just like doing the homework for your kids. That way there's no deceit and everything's Kosher. So he might offer his client to write the essay but to ensure the client can recite it as his own.
NB: I have a simple litmus test for this kind of questions:
ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you.
For example, a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests - would you consult him? Or a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college - would you vote for him?
If no, then your guts are telling the truth. If yes, that's not a Halachic problem for you.
answered Nov 11 at 13:49
Al Berko
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
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@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
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@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
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@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
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Assuming we only talk about Jews (as relations with the Gentiles is a bit complicated):
Yes, it's called Deceit/misleading (גניבת דעת) - one cannot lead people to think that he possesses some qualities that he does not. (I can add some more collateral misconducts, like "ועשית הישר והטוב בעיני ה' ואדם", "לפני עוור..." ", "תמים תהיה עם ה"א" and more)
Yes, I couldn't think of a different use for his writings but using them under a different name.
I'd say it depends on how pious he tries to be. That's not like stealing or killing, you know, but still, it is not Kosher, even if we assume there are some leniences towards the Non-Jews. Also, he's not one to deceit, but he plays the main part. That's between him and his Creator.
There's a way to make it ethically legal: it is to ensure that the customer knows the content and can recite it. Just like doing the homework for your kids. That way there's no deceit and everything's Kosher. So he might offer his client to write the essay but to ensure the client can recite it as his own.
NB: I have a simple litmus test for this kind of questions:
ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you.
For example, a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests - would you consult him? Or a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college - would you vote for him?
If no, then your guts are telling the truth. If yes, that's not a Halachic problem for you.
answered Nov 11 at 13:49
Al Berko
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
1
@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
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@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
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@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
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Assuming we only talk about Jews (as relations with the Gentiles is a bit complicated):
Yes, it's called Deceit/misleading (גניבת דעת) - one cannot lead people to think that he possesses some qualities that he does not. (I can add some more collateral misconducts, like "ועשית הישר והטוב בעיני ה' ואדם", "לפני עוור..." ", "תמים תהיה עם ה"א" and more)
Yes, I couldn't think of a different use for his writings but using them under a different name.
I'd say it depends on how pious he tries to be. That's not like stealing or killing, you know, but still, it is not Kosher, even if we assume there are some leniences towards the Non-Jews. Also, he's not one to deceit, but he plays the main part. That's between him and his Creator.
There's a way to make it ethically legal: it is to ensure that the customer knows the content and can recite it. Just like doing the homework for your kids. That way there's no deceit and everything's Kosher. So he might offer his client to write the essay but to ensure the client can recite it as his own.
NB: I have a simple litmus test for this kind of questions:
ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you.
For example, a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests - would you consult him? Or a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college - would you vote for him?
If no, then your guts are telling the truth. If yes, that's not a Halachic problem for you.
answered Nov 11 at 13:49
Al Berko
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Assuming we only talk about Jews (as relations with the Gentiles is a bit complicated):
Yes, it's called Deceit/misleading (גניבת דעת) - one cannot lead people to think that he possesses some qualities that he does not. (I can add some more collateral misconducts, like "ועשית הישר והטוב בעיני ה' ואדם", "לפני עוור..." ", "תמים תהיה עם ה"א" and more)
Yes, I couldn't think of a different use for his writings but using them under a different name.
I'd say it depends on how pious he tries to be. That's not like stealing or killing, you know, but still, it is not Kosher, even if we assume there are some leniences towards the Non-Jews. Also, he's not one to deceit, but he plays the main part. That's between him and his Creator.
There's a way to make it ethically legal: it is to ensure that the customer knows the content and can recite it. Just like doing the homework for your kids. That way there's no deceit and everything's Kosher. So he might offer his client to write the essay but to ensure the client can recite it as his own.
NB: I have a simple litmus test for this kind of questions:
ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you.
For example, a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests - would you consult him? Or a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college - would you vote for him?
If no, then your guts are telling the truth. If yes, that's not a Halachic problem for you.
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
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@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
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@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
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@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
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@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
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@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
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@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
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"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
"ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you." I think you are confusing the provider and the customer. Yes, I would have a problem with the customer. But not with the provider -- which was the question.
– Maurice Mizrahi
Nov 11 at 19:35
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@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
@AlBerko This seems to support your answer: dinonline.org/2017/09/15/cheating-on-a-test
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:06
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@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
@AlBerko, your answer convinced my friend to quit his job, he now got a new kosher job which pays him much more, todah:)
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:21
2
2
@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
@DanWeisberg Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. Thanks for telling me that, very encouraging.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:47
1
1
@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
@ba If you pay attention I said the opposite, whatever your gut says you NOT todo - don't do. You learned מכלל לאו אתה שומע הן. It isn't.
– Al Berko
Dec 14 at 10:51
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When I was in college I supported myself mostly by translating papers in French, Italian and English. I was occasionally in the position you describe and had to wrestle with the ethics involved. Say I'd get a paper in English to translate into French from another college student. Chances seemed high this was an assignment for a French course. What were my options? Say no and give the reason? Accusing people without proof can get you into trouble. Say no and say you are too busy? This doesn't fall into any category of lies allowed in Judaism. Say no and give no reason? Refusing to serve a customer can open you to all kinds of charges of discrimination.
I convinced myself I should do it and did it. I also badly needed the money, but that's not a valid reason. I believed, and still believe, my reasoning was correct. Let the customer deal with his own conscience.
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
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When I was in college I supported myself mostly by translating papers in French, Italian and English. I was occasionally in the position you describe and had to wrestle with the ethics involved. Say I'd get a paper in English to translate into French from another college student. Chances seemed high this was an assignment for a French course. What were my options? Say no and give the reason? Accusing people without proof can get you into trouble. Say no and say you are too busy? This doesn't fall into any category of lies allowed in Judaism. Say no and give no reason? Refusing to serve a customer can open you to all kinds of charges of discrimination.
I convinced myself I should do it and did it. I also badly needed the money, but that's not a valid reason. I believed, and still believe, my reasoning was correct. Let the customer deal with his own conscience.
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
add a comment |
When I was in college I supported myself mostly by translating papers in French, Italian and English. I was occasionally in the position you describe and had to wrestle with the ethics involved. Say I'd get a paper in English to translate into French from another college student. Chances seemed high this was an assignment for a French course. What were my options? Say no and give the reason? Accusing people without proof can get you into trouble. Say no and say you are too busy? This doesn't fall into any category of lies allowed in Judaism. Say no and give no reason? Refusing to serve a customer can open you to all kinds of charges of discrimination.
I convinced myself I should do it and did it. I also badly needed the money, but that's not a valid reason. I believed, and still believe, my reasoning was correct. Let the customer deal with his own conscience.
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
When I was in college I supported myself mostly by translating papers in French, Italian and English. I was occasionally in the position you describe and had to wrestle with the ethics involved. Say I'd get a paper in English to translate into French from another college student. Chances seemed high this was an assignment for a French course. What were my options? Say no and give the reason? Accusing people without proof can get you into trouble. Say no and say you are too busy? This doesn't fall into any category of lies allowed in Judaism. Say no and give no reason? Refusing to serve a customer can open you to all kinds of charges of discrimination.
I convinced myself I should do it and did it. I also badly needed the money, but that's not a valid reason. I believed, and still believe, my reasoning was correct. Let the customer deal with his own conscience.
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
answered Nov 11 at 16:48
Maurice Mizrahi
1,234112
1,234112
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add a comment |
The main point of the OP under discussion would seem to be:
"This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote."
it seems to me IMHO, that there is no problem with your friend doing any of this. We should first look at this under the lens of common sense before assuming there is any "sin" or technical "Halachic" discussion.
IMHO, there is no reason to think anyone is sinning here; not even 50%. The OP's assumption that anyone is cheating a professor is simply mistaken.
Today's colleges are a vast mixture of institutions that are different from each other as far as ethics and "house rules" are concerned.
I have found, in my experience, that an essay assignment given by a professor to their students, which is supposed to be done on the private "homework time" of the students, to be handed in later, is usually not subject to the obligation of the students to have written it themselves.
This is especially true with the advent of "online" colleges, where sometimes, even so-called "tests" are given with absolutely no supervision to prevent "cheating".
I actually know students who have paid retired professors to sit with them and do their online college work for them together in front of the computer. AND yes, even take tests!
Why?? Because the college is not strict about this.
So let us break down the situation into the possibilities:
1) The student's class was told by the professor that the essay assignment must be their own work and they will be held accountable under the honor system, or face sanctions for cheating, if caught.
2) The student's class was given an essay assignment with nothing said about whose work it needs to be.
3) The student's class was given an essay assignment and the professor told them that they may seek help with the assignment from others.
4) The student's class is actually an online college without supervision.
5) The student's class has an essay which will be written under supervision as a test in a supervised classroom.
Now when your friend is approached by some student to pay him to write their essay, even if it is for a college assignment, we should ask which of the above 5 categories the assignment most likely fits into.
If it is #5, then we do not need to worry, since it is very unusual for a student to show up at a test site under supervision, and smuggle in an essay so he can transcribe from it. It makes no sense for your friend to need to avoid getting paid because he just might be helping such a risk taker. In any case, they will probably be caught, so no harm done. :)
If it is #4, then there is no problem at all. The online college assumes that you at least read the paper you are submitting since you might need to transcribe it to a special access portal online. What's the difference if you created the paper, or you understand the paper?? You have gone through a learning process of some sort, and your overall grade is made of many things; not just that essay.
Secondly, if the online professor is strict and demands it be your own work, then its like case #5 above, because the professor will know the student's level from their interaction online and general participation. If a student who fails a lot of their participation suddenly submits a professional essay... that professor is going to catch on easily. So again we need not assume the customer wants to submit your essay under such conditions of risk taking.
Thirdly, if the online professor never demanded your own work, then the college has set the bar low. It is not your affair if someone buys an essay from you to submit to a college that allows this, is it? No one sinned.
Maybe that's why some companies only hire people from Harvard and Yale as opposed to those who graduated from "BOZO TECH ONLINE" ? :)
If its #3, then there is obviously no problem at all! Yes this happens a lot!
If its #2, then there is no legal assumption or ethical or moral assumption that it must be your own work. So again, no problem.
If its #1, then that is the only case which would seem problematic. However, that is also not a problem.
The student is afraid to submit a purely professional paper that does not fit his own level of academics and personal writing style to a strict professor who knows this student's work. It would be taking too much risk.
Such a student who buys such a paper anyway, will likely read it and then try to write it again in mostly his own words using a lot of the paper as a structure.
That's OK.
So, I believe that anyone who claims this is a sin, has not thought about the practical situation. There really is no issue here for the one selling their work to others for college assignments.
Finally, while plagiarism is a crime, that is only when someone steals the work of another and calls it their own or does not give proper credit. However, in this case, the student bought the full rights to the author's work; so there is no stealing involved. Therefore, there is by definition no plagiarism!
Therefore, the entire premise of the OP's question: "This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens."
... is simply a mistaken premise to begin with.
Therefore, any question of Halachah is moot since the reality is much different than the question assumed based on the true facts on the ground.
The only concern is if a student approaches you and says: "Hey, I have an assignment due that the professor said must be my own work or else it is cheating! Can you write an essay for me? Here is some money and some samples of my own previous work so you can even copy my style as you tailor fit your fabricated essay just for me so I can fool my professor! Thanks Buddy!"
You can simply answer: NO.
OR You can say: look, I am not going to help you fool the professor, but I can give you an essay that is easy to understand and very professionally written so you can adapt it to your own style and use it as a base for your own essay? How about that?
If they agree, take the money! :)
A person's hard work and income is a very holy thing. We should never knee-jerk assume that some form of income is "sinful" just because it seems problematic on the surface. We must deeply examine the true circumstances, before declaring a person must quit their living.
That's my humble opinion, based on my Torah knowledge and training.
answered Nov 11 at 18:10
David Kenner
8,040826
1
I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
1
I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
add a comment |
The main point of the OP under discussion would seem to be:
"This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote."
it seems to me IMHO, that there is no problem with your friend doing any of this. We should first look at this under the lens of common sense before assuming there is any "sin" or technical "Halachic" discussion.
IMHO, there is no reason to think anyone is sinning here; not even 50%. The OP's assumption that anyone is cheating a professor is simply mistaken.
Today's colleges are a vast mixture of institutions that are different from each other as far as ethics and "house rules" are concerned.
I have found, in my experience, that an essay assignment given by a professor to their students, which is supposed to be done on the private "homework time" of the students, to be handed in later, is usually not subject to the obligation of the students to have written it themselves.
This is especially true with the advent of "online" colleges, where sometimes, even so-called "tests" are given with absolutely no supervision to prevent "cheating".
I actually know students who have paid retired professors to sit with them and do their online college work for them together in front of the computer. AND yes, even take tests!
Why?? Because the college is not strict about this.
So let us break down the situation into the possibilities:
1) The student's class was told by the professor that the essay assignment must be their own work and they will be held accountable under the honor system, or face sanctions for cheating, if caught.
2) The student's class was given an essay assignment with nothing said about whose work it needs to be.
3) The student's class was given an essay assignment and the professor told them that they may seek help with the assignment from others.
4) The student's class is actually an online college without supervision.
5) The student's class has an essay which will be written under supervision as a test in a supervised classroom.
Now when your friend is approached by some student to pay him to write their essay, even if it is for a college assignment, we should ask which of the above 5 categories the assignment most likely fits into.
If it is #5, then we do not need to worry, since it is very unusual for a student to show up at a test site under supervision, and smuggle in an essay so he can transcribe from it. It makes no sense for your friend to need to avoid getting paid because he just might be helping such a risk taker. In any case, they will probably be caught, so no harm done. :)
If it is #4, then there is no problem at all. The online college assumes that you at least read the paper you are submitting since you might need to transcribe it to a special access portal online. What's the difference if you created the paper, or you understand the paper?? You have gone through a learning process of some sort, and your overall grade is made of many things; not just that essay.
Secondly, if the online professor is strict and demands it be your own work, then its like case #5 above, because the professor will know the student's level from their interaction online and general participation. If a student who fails a lot of their participation suddenly submits a professional essay... that professor is going to catch on easily. So again we need not assume the customer wants to submit your essay under such conditions of risk taking.
Thirdly, if the online professor never demanded your own work, then the college has set the bar low. It is not your affair if someone buys an essay from you to submit to a college that allows this, is it? No one sinned.
Maybe that's why some companies only hire people from Harvard and Yale as opposed to those who graduated from "BOZO TECH ONLINE" ? :)
If its #3, then there is obviously no problem at all! Yes this happens a lot!
If its #2, then there is no legal assumption or ethical or moral assumption that it must be your own work. So again, no problem.
If its #1, then that is the only case which would seem problematic. However, that is also not a problem.
The student is afraid to submit a purely professional paper that does not fit his own level of academics and personal writing style to a strict professor who knows this student's work. It would be taking too much risk.
Such a student who buys such a paper anyway, will likely read it and then try to write it again in mostly his own words using a lot of the paper as a structure.
That's OK.
So, I believe that anyone who claims this is a sin, has not thought about the practical situation. There really is no issue here for the one selling their work to others for college assignments.
Finally, while plagiarism is a crime, that is only when someone steals the work of another and calls it their own or does not give proper credit. However, in this case, the student bought the full rights to the author's work; so there is no stealing involved. Therefore, there is by definition no plagiarism!
Therefore, the entire premise of the OP's question: "This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens."
... is simply a mistaken premise to begin with.
Therefore, any question of Halachah is moot since the reality is much different than the question assumed based on the true facts on the ground.
The only concern is if a student approaches you and says: "Hey, I have an assignment due that the professor said must be my own work or else it is cheating! Can you write an essay for me? Here is some money and some samples of my own previous work so you can even copy my style as you tailor fit your fabricated essay just for me so I can fool my professor! Thanks Buddy!"
You can simply answer: NO.
OR You can say: look, I am not going to help you fool the professor, but I can give you an essay that is easy to understand and very professionally written so you can adapt it to your own style and use it as a base for your own essay? How about that?
If they agree, take the money! :)
A person's hard work and income is a very holy thing. We should never knee-jerk assume that some form of income is "sinful" just because it seems problematic on the surface. We must deeply examine the true circumstances, before declaring a person must quit their living.
That's my humble opinion, based on my Torah knowledge and training.
answered Nov 11 at 18:10
David Kenner
8,040826
1
I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
1
I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
add a comment |
The main point of the OP under discussion would seem to be:
"This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote."
it seems to me IMHO, that there is no problem with your friend doing any of this. We should first look at this under the lens of common sense before assuming there is any "sin" or technical "Halachic" discussion.
IMHO, there is no reason to think anyone is sinning here; not even 50%. The OP's assumption that anyone is cheating a professor is simply mistaken.
Today's colleges are a vast mixture of institutions that are different from each other as far as ethics and "house rules" are concerned.
I have found, in my experience, that an essay assignment given by a professor to their students, which is supposed to be done on the private "homework time" of the students, to be handed in later, is usually not subject to the obligation of the students to have written it themselves.
This is especially true with the advent of "online" colleges, where sometimes, even so-called "tests" are given with absolutely no supervision to prevent "cheating".
I actually know students who have paid retired professors to sit with them and do their online college work for them together in front of the computer. AND yes, even take tests!
Why?? Because the college is not strict about this.
So let us break down the situation into the possibilities:
1) The student's class was told by the professor that the essay assignment must be their own work and they will be held accountable under the honor system, or face sanctions for cheating, if caught.
2) The student's class was given an essay assignment with nothing said about whose work it needs to be.
3) The student's class was given an essay assignment and the professor told them that they may seek help with the assignment from others.
4) The student's class is actually an online college without supervision.
5) The student's class has an essay which will be written under supervision as a test in a supervised classroom.
Now when your friend is approached by some student to pay him to write their essay, even if it is for a college assignment, we should ask which of the above 5 categories the assignment most likely fits into.
If it is #5, then we do not need to worry, since it is very unusual for a student to show up at a test site under supervision, and smuggle in an essay so he can transcribe from it. It makes no sense for your friend to need to avoid getting paid because he just might be helping such a risk taker. In any case, they will probably be caught, so no harm done. :)
If it is #4, then there is no problem at all. The online college assumes that you at least read the paper you are submitting since you might need to transcribe it to a special access portal online. What's the difference if you created the paper, or you understand the paper?? You have gone through a learning process of some sort, and your overall grade is made of many things; not just that essay.
Secondly, if the online professor is strict and demands it be your own work, then its like case #5 above, because the professor will know the student's level from their interaction online and general participation. If a student who fails a lot of their participation suddenly submits a professional essay... that professor is going to catch on easily. So again we need not assume the customer wants to submit your essay under such conditions of risk taking.
Thirdly, if the online professor never demanded your own work, then the college has set the bar low. It is not your affair if someone buys an essay from you to submit to a college that allows this, is it? No one sinned.
Maybe that's why some companies only hire people from Harvard and Yale as opposed to those who graduated from "BOZO TECH ONLINE" ? :)
If its #3, then there is obviously no problem at all! Yes this happens a lot!
If its #2, then there is no legal assumption or ethical or moral assumption that it must be your own work. So again, no problem.
If its #1, then that is the only case which would seem problematic. However, that is also not a problem.
The student is afraid to submit a purely professional paper that does not fit his own level of academics and personal writing style to a strict professor who knows this student's work. It would be taking too much risk.
Such a student who buys such a paper anyway, will likely read it and then try to write it again in mostly his own words using a lot of the paper as a structure.
That's OK.
So, I believe that anyone who claims this is a sin, has not thought about the practical situation. There really is no issue here for the one selling their work to others for college assignments.
Finally, while plagiarism is a crime, that is only when someone steals the work of another and calls it their own or does not give proper credit. However, in this case, the student bought the full rights to the author's work; so there is no stealing involved. Therefore, there is by definition no plagiarism!
Therefore, the entire premise of the OP's question: "This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens."
... is simply a mistaken premise to begin with.
Therefore, any question of Halachah is moot since the reality is much different than the question assumed based on the true facts on the ground.
The only concern is if a student approaches you and says: "Hey, I have an assignment due that the professor said must be my own work or else it is cheating! Can you write an essay for me? Here is some money and some samples of my own previous work so you can even copy my style as you tailor fit your fabricated essay just for me so I can fool my professor! Thanks Buddy!"
You can simply answer: NO.
OR You can say: look, I am not going to help you fool the professor, but I can give you an essay that is easy to understand and very professionally written so you can adapt it to your own style and use it as a base for your own essay? How about that?
If they agree, take the money! :)
A person's hard work and income is a very holy thing. We should never knee-jerk assume that some form of income is "sinful" just because it seems problematic on the surface. We must deeply examine the true circumstances, before declaring a person must quit their living.
That's my humble opinion, based on my Torah knowledge and training.
answered Nov 11 at 18:10
David Kenner
8,040826
The main point of the OP under discussion would seem to be:
"This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote."
it seems to me IMHO, that there is no problem with your friend doing any of this. We should first look at this under the lens of common sense before assuming there is any "sin" or technical "Halachic" discussion.
IMHO, there is no reason to think anyone is sinning here; not even 50%. The OP's assumption that anyone is cheating a professor is simply mistaken.
Today's colleges are a vast mixture of institutions that are different from each other as far as ethics and "house rules" are concerned.
I have found, in my experience, that an essay assignment given by a professor to their students, which is supposed to be done on the private "homework time" of the students, to be handed in later, is usually not subject to the obligation of the students to have written it themselves.
This is especially true with the advent of "online" colleges, where sometimes, even so-called "tests" are given with absolutely no supervision to prevent "cheating".
I actually know students who have paid retired professors to sit with them and do their online college work for them together in front of the computer. AND yes, even take tests!
Why?? Because the college is not strict about this.
So let us break down the situation into the possibilities:
1) The student's class was told by the professor that the essay assignment must be their own work and they will be held accountable under the honor system, or face sanctions for cheating, if caught.
2) The student's class was given an essay assignment with nothing said about whose work it needs to be.
3) The student's class was given an essay assignment and the professor told them that they may seek help with the assignment from others.
4) The student's class is actually an online college without supervision.
5) The student's class has an essay which will be written under supervision as a test in a supervised classroom.
Now when your friend is approached by some student to pay him to write their essay, even if it is for a college assignment, we should ask which of the above 5 categories the assignment most likely fits into.
If it is #5, then we do not need to worry, since it is very unusual for a student to show up at a test site under supervision, and smuggle in an essay so he can transcribe from it. It makes no sense for your friend to need to avoid getting paid because he just might be helping such a risk taker. In any case, they will probably be caught, so no harm done. :)
If it is #4, then there is no problem at all. The online college assumes that you at least read the paper you are submitting since you might need to transcribe it to a special access portal online. What's the difference if you created the paper, or you understand the paper?? You have gone through a learning process of some sort, and your overall grade is made of many things; not just that essay.
Secondly, if the online professor is strict and demands it be your own work, then its like case #5 above, because the professor will know the student's level from their interaction online and general participation. If a student who fails a lot of their participation suddenly submits a professional essay... that professor is going to catch on easily. So again we need not assume the customer wants to submit your essay under such conditions of risk taking.
Thirdly, if the online professor never demanded your own work, then the college has set the bar low. It is not your affair if someone buys an essay from you to submit to a college that allows this, is it? No one sinned.
Maybe that's why some companies only hire people from Harvard and Yale as opposed to those who graduated from "BOZO TECH ONLINE" ? :)
If its #3, then there is obviously no problem at all! Yes this happens a lot!
If its #2, then there is no legal assumption or ethical or moral assumption that it must be your own work. So again, no problem.
If its #1, then that is the only case which would seem problematic. However, that is also not a problem.
The student is afraid to submit a purely professional paper that does not fit his own level of academics and personal writing style to a strict professor who knows this student's work. It would be taking too much risk.
Such a student who buys such a paper anyway, will likely read it and then try to write it again in mostly his own words using a lot of the paper as a structure.
That's OK.
So, I believe that anyone who claims this is a sin, has not thought about the practical situation. There really is no issue here for the one selling their work to others for college assignments.
Finally, while plagiarism is a crime, that is only when someone steals the work of another and calls it their own or does not give proper credit. However, in this case, the student bought the full rights to the author's work; so there is no stealing involved. Therefore, there is by definition no plagiarism!
Therefore, the entire premise of the OP's question: "This way, they cheat their professors and get grades for assignments they never wrote. Now, my friend does not know exactly what they do with the works he writes, but we can all be 99% sure that this is what happens."
... is simply a mistaken premise to begin with.
Therefore, any question of Halachah is moot since the reality is much different than the question assumed based on the true facts on the ground.
The only concern is if a student approaches you and says: "Hey, I have an assignment due that the professor said must be my own work or else it is cheating! Can you write an essay for me? Here is some money and some samples of my own previous work so you can even copy my style as you tailor fit your fabricated essay just for me so I can fool my professor! Thanks Buddy!"
You can simply answer: NO.
OR You can say: look, I am not going to help you fool the professor, but I can give you an essay that is easy to understand and very professionally written so you can adapt it to your own style and use it as a base for your own essay? How about that?
If they agree, take the money! :)
A person's hard work and income is a very holy thing. We should never knee-jerk assume that some form of income is "sinful" just because it seems problematic on the surface. We must deeply examine the true circumstances, before declaring a person must quit their living.
That's my humble opinion, based on my Torah knowledge and training.
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I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
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I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
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I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
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I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
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I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
I added a NB: a simple litmus test for this kind of questions: ask yourself would you care if the same behavior turned on you: would you consult a dentist or a physician that had his friend doing his assessment tests, would you vote for a candidate that claims a friend wrote his works in college?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:15
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
There's something bigger here and it is the differentiation between חפצא and גברא in transgressions. We can sense that sometimes there's no problem with חפצא like טעות גוי. But if someone consistently profits from it is becomes a problem in גברא - the person becomes corrupted. So I would agree with you, that there's probably not much wrong here in Choshen Mishpat side, but in Yoreh Deah it's all wrong and one if forbidden to accustomize himself to cheating
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 19:20
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
@AlBerko I fail to see why your question about a dentist or candidate has anything to do with the OP. There is only something bigger here if there is something wrong here. There isn't. I believe I have shown that it is fine behavior. I actually believe one may advertise openly to sell essays for college students. Would you shut down a pharmacy because a few drug addicts fake a perscription? Would gun manufacturers need to close down because some crazy man bought their hunting rifle and shot up a convenience store? Nope. :) btw ftr i did not downvote your answer, i posted my own.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 20:52
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I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
I can't go forward without you answering those questions. How about meeting Rabbi that had someone else writing his books? Doesn't ring the bell?
– Al Berko
Nov 11 at 21:04
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
@AlBerko if the dentist or doctor knowingly cheated on his tests, then that would be something to consider. If he knows how to be a good doctor? I would use him if I needed to do so. A candidate? I would vote for him if I thought he was a good candidate. I frankly don't care who wrote his papers. Rabbi who has someone else write for him...? that's fine with me. Although all my posts here are mine (besides my source material) so I only have myself to blame. :) So what??? As I explained, the OP has nothing to do with that.
– David Kenner
Nov 11 at 23:11
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Is this not a simple case of genivas daas? @DanWeisberg
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:01
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I feel very strongly about this question and would like to add that it could even (G-d forbid) reach the point of a chillul Hashem, insofar as some goyim are and have always been virulently skeptical of Jews for their success, and figure they must all be dishonest. Let's not add to that by being thus, G-d forbid. G-d's standards are certainly higher than the schools' and we aspire to reach those; surely we can reach the schools'.
– SAH
Dec 12 at 6:09
@SAH I agree, the person whom this question was about quit this job and found a much better kosher job with a much higher salary
– Dan Weisberg
Dec 13 at 21:23
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B"H, so glad to hear
– SAH
Dec 13 at 21:40